Disgusted....

[mdehners]

On one of my Heathen lists it was posted that a certain Theodish man was running for office on the Republican ticket and was made fun of by a regional Lefty rag. The sad thing? The lack of support for a fellow Heathen.
Now, I'm not Theodish and personally have a problem with a lot of it, that's why I'm NOT. Part of the beauty of Heathenry. Personally? The Republicans aren't the most Tolerant, not that the Demos are either...just show up at a local meeting and be "Out" either/both religiously or orientationally.I would have gone Indep or Liber, though both have problems as well.
One thing ALL Heathens I know is that they don't deny that the God/desses of other do not exist. Appearantly, because this Theodsman didn't do this, he's basically a traitor to Heathenry in some people's eyes. He'd alread stated his Faith in a public forum, something a heckovalot of folks HAVE NOT. Just because he didn't state, BEFORE AN ELECTION IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY that YHVH doesn't exist(something I personally don't agree with. I beleive He exists, I CHOOSE to Follow my Heathen ANcestor's God/desses, not my Christian ones...), he's somehow denying his Heathen-ishness.
I may not agree politically with the guy but having one of us with the balls to go Public in Politics is something to be proud of, not denegrated....
Truth,
Pat

Comments

[puca]

Well the first thing for me to bear in mind in all this is if *I* even consider said person to be a heathen; after all said person apparently got married in a church and did so in a kilt. Deeds speak louder than words. IMO that is 2 strikes. Then in the article said person dares to equate heathenry with wicca and in the same breath alluding to celtic-based drivel? Strike 3. Politics and 'kingship' (guffaw!) aside, I consider him non-heathen given the flip flops in position I have seen said person make over the years within heathenry itself. IMO said person was fair game to get lambasted from all parties.

[mdehners]

One of the many reasons I'm not Theodish. Too much of it pushes the same buttons of why I'm not republican:
Obsession with a King/Patricarch leadership model
Sense of superiority over others as part of a class system
Use of legalisms to control people instead of ethics or common sense
and many others.
On the marriage "thang". As I posted in my journal, me and my Partner are the exceptions in our Heathen and Pagan circles of friends in that we had a non-Christian wedding. All others had church weddings. A personal peeve of mine but one not exclusively his...
Truth,
Pat

[puca]

There is also the fact that said person and his ilk have made enough enemies within heathenry to not lend support in this matter. The behaviour I have witnessed stemming from this quarter over the years is ample enough reason to say such are not worthy of backing, heathen or not; therefore, said person better have a hoard of luck to dip into because the ill-wishers are legion. Reap what you sow.

[mdehners]

And that is, not what folks have been Posting where I Lurk. Dishonorable behavior, Betrayal, Broken Oaths, etc all are "game-changers" for me. Dan's never done any of such to me but his politics has always been antithetical to mine(not to mention we've never lived inthe same district;>) so it's nothing to me.
Personally? I doubt a modern lawyer could BE an Honorable person, let alone a politico. It's the BS about "what he reeeeaaalllyy meant" that ticks me off, esp. form a number of folks who've done the same AS him(married in non-Heathen rites...). If he was running as the Heathenry/Theodish/etc Candidate then he should be held to a higher standard than the average H/T/etc, but he's running as a Repelican. Misrepresenting your personal beleifs is the NORM, not the exception....
Truth,
Pat

[weofodthignen]

Nah, there are honest lawyers. There are even honest pols, tho they tend not to get very far. But this guy is just completely and utterly ego-driven. Like another heathen leader I could name . . .

I now await the outraged responses from him and his friends. He is on LJ.

M

[weofodthignen]

Puca's saying basically what I would say, plus some--he's known this guy longer than me.

It's nice to have someone running for office and being open about not being of the desert god and having a chance to win. It's a shame it's a Republican. I am not as embittered about Theodism as I probably should be. I still hope people seduced by it can be drawn back to another form of heathenry. But this guy . . . fails some of my tests for being heathen, and has caused much harm. I hope he doesn't win. I would probably try to save his life; but I haven't even looked to see if he has a Wikipedia article that I can improve, that's how little I care for him.

I hope someone worthier can step on his shoulders.

M

[mdehners]

Never got very far into the AS/Theodish Universe, so don't know to much about many of it's players. After Lord Brian treated me so poorly and was told basically that it didn't matter since I wasn't AS Heathen and basically Uttangearder so fuck off I lost all Interest in things Inglisc.
It was sad watching so many folks get sucked up and spit out by the whole Theodisc Obsession that ran rampant through S Heatherny for a few yrs. Quite a few folks who went in Heathen have now either returnerned to their childhood faiths or gone Atheist.
Sadly, my Interest in local politics generally ends at my county line. What happens beyond the Pale stays beyond the Pale.
Like I said to Puca, his points are valid, I just wish folks would use those sort of things instead of silliness like "he didn't Deny Christianity" or the whole wheathen Whores bit. Don't know and don't care. Considering the Pot use in most kindreds, a little Sexworking's hardly a big deal....
Truth,
Pat